We got 2 does at 8 months old back in March. I have temporarily separated them but they are fretting for each other when can they go back to being together. Thank you! I got 3 baby goats from the same breeder, two are pure bred nigerian dwarf goats and one is a crossbred. Some people refer to grain as “goat crack” because they will literally eat themselves to death. They butt heads and slam their heads into other goats’ sides. The funny thing is that if you take one goat and put her by herself, she will probably complain loudly about being alone. What’s going on with him?? We have two feeding areas. I want to help her but I found her twice this evening laying in tall grass , unresponsive. I was planning on separating the bucks from the does once the babies are born. They didn’t eat much but I’m very scared and can’t seem to find much online. I’ve only had this happen once, and the goat was fine within a day or so, but he wasn’t blind. Tajin with young goat meat and Argan Oil … It is normal for a doe to do that to her older kids when she has new ones. I’m really scared that all this headbutting will affect the smaller goat’s pregnancy, and I can’t separate them unless I buy some more cause they are the only ones I have. We only have two goats and don’t plan on expanding our “herd” lol. There is nothing you can do. We live 5000 feet. Early in pregnancy, head butting won’t be a problem for the pregnancy. Hi there! I think one of the does lost her baby from being butted in the sides so much. Now the smaller brother has become incredibly aggressive towards him, he not only head butts but charges and rams him in his side. Not necessarily. Jun 20, 2017 @ 2:44pm right click hold, select attack unprovoked. If it’s windy, it can be worse even before it gets that cold. Many people are afraid of rats and with good reason. People subscribing to the second theory of animal handling, that of working more with the animal to get it to do as you wish, usually will have less physical contact with the animal and have learned to not rush the animals and to take advantage of the instincts of the animal to get it to do as he/she wants. So we still have one to go sometime in March. You can try feeding them in separate stalls in the barn or placing their hay feeders far apart. My sheep are always together in a herd for lambing and that happened once. However, the more you separate them, the longer it’s going to take for them to work things out. We have started stalling the bully and her kid in a stall at night by themselves but all of them are in the pasture together during the day. Your last resort in hand-to-hoof combat is to grab the goat by its horns. The other female, however, os much larger, has horns and is very aggressive. Once their disbudding scabs are healed over, you shouldn’t see any more blood unless one of them starts to get scurs (small bits of horn growth), and then one might bleed if they knock off a scur. If that just happens for a couple of days every three weeks, it could just be that she is in heat. How do I keep my wether from head butting my doe? The occasionally had but my baby but after a couple head when she stands up for herself & they back off. Everyone is telling me to kill it for meat. The blood samples won’t uncover brain diseases that could have altered behavior. My daughter got a 2 month old baby female. They have been together since birth and they are 5 years old now. I just brought home a 8week old buck for them. Since they have horns, I would keep the new ones separate from the males until they are at least a few months old and closer in size. I would ask the vet what you can do for them. When starting a herd, you need to start with two does in one pen and then two males in another pen — either two bucks or a buck and a wether (castrated male). A goat could wind up with a broken neck if they stick their head under it and another one slams into their body. That’s perfectly normal for goats. They usually do. This is normal goat behavior. I have two full-grown goats and they are all very familiar with each other because we take walks in the evenings. On flat ground, they usually won’t let people get within 500 yards. I need help I have a male and female but the male keeps on head butting the female how do I make him stop. Most mountain goats roam the vast open spaces of Alaska and Canada, where they tend to have very little contact with humans. They can survive for a long time. How long do I give them to adjust to a new home? Usually they stop fighting when one figures out that he’s losing. That’s actually a very popular cross for diaries. Help!! If you read the other comments, you’ll see that this is quite common. There is not anything you can do about it. She is still the same size today so I don’t think she was birthing and since I took him away she stopped bleeding after about 2 or 3 days . What can I do? I wouldn’t be concerned. The older one is always headbutting her companion!!! Can we house them together while they are small? It seemed like she was trying to nurse but couldn’t get on the same page with the mother. However, dingoes are much more of a danger to livestock, especially to sheep and young cattle. If you separate them, they will just start over again when you put them back together, so that will just make for lots more head butting overall. However, some goats are bullies. If it’s cold and raining, and they won’t let him in, you might need to come up with a temporary alternative. Slate is published by The Slate Group, a Graham Holdings Company. So two of my goats got into some rat poison, the kind that makes the blood thin. The older one is 5 and aggressive toward the younger 2 year old. Run. HaTsUnE_NeKo. You really can’t stop him from doing that. The problem is that kid doesn’t smell her kid — and Vicks does not make the kid smell like her kid either. Also, if it’s extremely hot where you are, you might bring her into the house, if that’s possible, so she isn’t also dealing with the heat. Could he be stabbing her ? Plus if there are kids in the pen, he could get a doeling pregnant when she is still too small to give birth safely. What should we do? Can they change? I want to know why is it that billy goats headbutt people in the rear end the minute you bend over? You can’t make him stop. I wouldn’t say anything is impossible, but in every case when someone had a problem like this with an adult goat, they had been playing with the goat inappropriately as a kid because they thought it was cute. In that case he could do some real damage. This doesn’t usually last more than a day or two — if you keep them together. Sheep and goats are a better match than 2 breeds of goats especially if some are seasonal and others non seasonal breeders. Some also are seasonal breeders. Now the mama and 2 year old goat ram and go after the other goat. I rescued him as a baby and never cut his horns. She is so adorable to the smaller doe and her kid. I have two feeders, two water buckets, and multiple climbing areas so she can get away from him but I’m worried he’s going to hurt her. Usually in a situation where one is so much smaller and younger, he will just run away rather than engaging in head butting, and eventually the other one gets tired of chasing him. He’s just a bit “pushy”!! They are our pets. I don’t like to put a single doe (with kids) back with everyone else because she usually gets the snot beat out of her. I was thinking in terms of able to open the door, swing it in perhaps above the hay……say when snow is blowing in…. They are both 6 months old. It’s typical goat behavior. I don’t know if it will always be the same with one controlling the other as the dominant male or if they could just get along. Scurs can get broken off when butting heads with any goat, but it is not a good idea to mix horned goats with goats that don’t have horns because the ones with horns have an unfair advantage, and it can end badly. Any suggestions? You might want to let them share a fenceline for a few days before you actually put them together. Thanks. The horned ones will realize they have an advantage and tend to be bullies. We have 2 nigerian/toggenburgs that are 6 months old. Our goats have 3-sided shelters where they can always get out of the wind, rain, and snow. Hi. I’m worried that separating the pair will stress them out but once the babies are born I pretty much have to right? Mountain goats can whip their heads around faster than other ungulates like caribou and elk, and their horns are razor-sharp. Is there anything I can do to help her? We close the door to keep them outside in winter as long as it’s not too cold. If you ever want to keep any doelings, it’s a good idea to just buy a second buck to keep this guy company. Your email address will not be published. We acquired 4 pregnant Boer does the end of December. Is this normal and will it stop? Ive been out there watching and making sure they don’t kill it. (The animals are a bit less skittish on rocky cliffs, where they have a natural advantage.) I really hope you mean WETHER — a castrated male — and not an intact buck. we have a shelter that can be closed up at night time to be away from predators and the elements of the cold but do i let the goats out throughout the days as it gets ariny ,snowy and windy here in canada where i am at. When you breed a large buck to a small doe, there is a very high risk of the kid being too large for the doe to successfully give birth. The mother is due in about a month. By joining Slate Plus you support our work and get exclusive content. By the time they go inside, they should be mellowed out. I am concerned, as it is getting colder, and snow in the forecast. The does have been coming into heat. Here is more information about goat birthing: They just have to work it out on their own. If they start going after the other doe’s kids, I’d stay and watch until they get a little more relaxed. If the new wether has horns, and the others do not, then that’s a problem, and you may need to consider housing him separately along with a horned friend who would be on a more equal playing ground. keeping our fingers crossed. The breeder told me that it was ok to keep them in the same pen. She is very food aggressive as she was neglected before. She is in a huge pen with the other 2 goats and the mini-pony and I allow them out and about on our farmstead for the day. 2. Thank you for your quick response, I’m new at this, they are pets mostly. It could be anywhere from $250 to $1000 and that is NOT a decision you want to have to make with a doe screaming in labor. Sorry if I am asking you the same question that you have answered. I’m sorry you had to see it. If that’s your concern, then you can stop worrying. We just brought home a 2 month old pygmy. Transmission of the organism to humans can occur through skin abrasions and mucous membranes by contact with urine or … He lost his companion 4 months ago so yesterday we introduced a 11 week old buck pygmy with horns. There really isn’t much you can do, especially since you’re not there all the time. The Oberhasli was boss when he was alive because he was the biggest, which kept the other three in line. And if so how do I set it up? Most goats are not charging at you and I doubt the zoo would have animals that attack people in the petting zoo area. I have only two goats. If they keep fighting, that’s when one really gets hurt. It’s not the smell of disbudding that’s the problem. Dad goat was bottle fed and is very sweet in temperament and I think a little lonely being on the other side of the fence. Can I leave a 3 month old buck with two wethered goats that are 10 months old? (I never say never, because very little is impossible.). He follows her around, bites at her ears and neck, butts her in the side, chases her, mounts her and is overall being a bully. We previously had a sheep that we also gave bottle too and he became so aggresive when he got bog that we couldnt go near him. This is why I recommend wethers as pets. Females are typically more aggressive than males. I know they’re working out their order but I watched them last night at dark and the does wouldn’t let him in the pen where they sleep. You don’t want to take them away from mom before they are two months if they are dam raised. When I tried to bring my wether back in with her, mom wants nothing to do with him. No horns on the guy, thank goodness!! I just don’t know what to do. I really don’t want to get another goat at this point. Recently my wether is being overly aggressive ramming in her side, and trying to “mate” for lack of a better term with her, he’s biting her fur too. And also, could he have gotten Ginger pregnant also even though he couldn’t reach her? It is “normal” for goats to be aggressive towards kids other than their own. The kids are about 2 weeks old now. Like  Slate  and the Explainer  on Facebook. She picks at the mini-pony, and even my 2 huge dogs. Most goats are fine with kids, although they may push away another doe’s kids that try to nurse off them. Now I am planning to bring my old wether back home this week. The two new goats are okay with the doe and will let her in the coop but if our other male comes near it they head butt him away. Tim Jun 20, 2017 @ … You can identify a dog attack because dogs usually go for a goat’s hind legs and rear end. He doesn’t know he is not a real buck anymore. I’m assuming you’re not milking because they normally get grain on the milk stand anyway. It’s true that if you separate them, the head butting will just start all over again when you put them back together. About the chasing, my first doe I ever got always ran away from my buck when she was in heat. Thank you. The rest of the butting of kids is about teaching behaviour . Putting a door on the shed and closing them up at night is one idea, but you don’t know how much they’ll fight once they’re stuck inside together. Should I be worried? They have plenty of room so that is not the issue. It’s a dominance thing. She just within the last couple weeks has become very aggressive. Will they hurt her or are they just establishing a pecking order? Does rarely hurt each other. She flipped her up about 3′ The pen is 45’x60′ so it’s a large area. Unsubscribe at any time. Three weeks ago, I added a 6 year old Nigerian/Pygmy cross doe. If they are familiar with each other, you might see a little head butting in the beginning, but they should settle down fairly quickly. This is one reason I am not a fan of horns. 2 Nigerian pygmy. Crying for each other when we separated them etc. Any advice? If they normally get along fine, it should be okay for him to be with her. Thank you for your comments I have now separated the Buck from the Does . Are goats able to get concussions? The drarf seems to be the one picked on by the others. I intervene so she can get a break when I’m in the pen with them. I have two Nigerian dwarf bucks (about 1 yr old) and recently added 2 Nigerian/Nubian does (also about 1 yr old). When I got the 3 kids they all had pretty big horns so I had to leave them on , is this what happens when they have horns maybe ? Every goat has to have a place in the pecking order, which does not necessarily translate to their relationships with people. It really depends on how cold it gets in your area and if she can get out of the wind. Thank you. The kids horns looked chipped/cracked. Is that normal or should I be feeding it more often but less at each feeding? They were bottle fed by someone and we purchased them together around 8 months of age. Do you think we should introduce a 3rd goat or just keep these 2 separated for a few more months. Im worried will the bigger goat hurt the baby . I have 4 ND wethers that are 6 months old, all brothers, as well as 2 doeling bottle babies that are 5 weeks old. Other than for breeding, males and females should be kept separate anyway, so hopefully when you remove the boys, they will get along fine together again. I’ve heard of rams (male sheep) fighting to the death because they don’t back down. Hello we recently bought a mom goat (Millie) & her 2 babies (boy & girl) in July. The Lamancha was a young buck that got our Nigerian pregnant, but didn’t seem tall enough to get the Nubian pregnant. We are feeding them well and want them to naturally mate. They have all been together for almost two years and two of them were born over 18 months ago. Two days later the other doe had a premature birth and the baby died. We have 4 does. I think if you are making generalizations about fighting you need to distinguish goat types. what can i do to minimise head injuried? I penned her with the other Doe so she could give birth but nothing . If they kid within 24 hours of each other, they might let the other doe’s kids nurse. Finally, if goats start exhibiting overly curious or aggressive behavior, Stay Together – Goats can easily mistake a lot of people close together or with their coats held open as a much larger animal that they do not want to face.Don’t separate — goats are much more likely to attack a single person than a group. We have two does purchased and brought home at the same time with our dwarf donkey. https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goats-in-winter/. Thank you, its the story you told above, will put them back and close my eyes for a while and hope for the best. It’s out of character for him. One male (which has been castrated, and 2 females) They all get along pretty well. It’s pretty clear to me the 5 year old must have rammed her. Add to this the fact that there is no telling how many may be lurking unseen for every rat that you do see. Now I want him to have a friend! She is almost acting like she is concussed or has brain damage. I can’t figure out why she has started doing this and I don’t know what to do about it. I have a 4 month old doe and I’ve had her since she was about 3 weeks old. She runs from him but last night she had what looks like a think discharge or membrane coming from her . The wethers that were castrated as adults will literally run her until she is panting and can’t run anymore. Any advice would be great!!! It doesn’t usually last for even a day, but there’s nothing you can do change goat nature. They have all been together now for about 4 months and the girls, moreso 1 than the other, have singled out one of the boys and seem to always push him away from the herd. How long should I keep them separate? I just want to know what to expect. Should I just ignore it? If he is being rammed against something solid like a building, then it could be a problem. i am so worried they will gore each other or as your comment above. Or just share a fence line… I want them to breed when he is big enough, I don’t want them to hurt him or hate him. It’s just the way their social hierarchy works. It’s hard to know what motivated Saturday’s attack. I just recently (5 days ago) introduced another polled 4 month old buck and he doesn’t seem to fight back whatsoever. I just love your blog! She beats the crap out of him, her back legs trembling and everything. She is eating and drinking fine, no stool/worm issues, and her Famancha score is great. I’m interested in your “placing Vick’s under the males nose” comment. They are all about 9 months old. I have a 4 month old doe and buck. I am new to goats so this is turning me off owning then if this is the norm . Now the 2 does will not stop fighting when we put them together. Throwing rocks at mountain goats technically contravenes National Park Service rules against harassing wildlife, but expulsion from the park beats being gored. It wasn’t too bad. I have a two day old kid, and I think another doe in the herd is shoving her out of the shelter. Hopefully he’ll learn that if he just lays down, that makes it difficult for another goat to really hurt him. I am afraid she is going to get hurt. I understand pecking order I also raise chickens. When goats attack…each other! If you can get another goat friend for her, that would be ideal so that she will have someone who speaks her language. Yes, goats can get concussions. The 2 goats I’m most concerned about are males and shouldn’t even be eating grain, plus I feel like even if I got 2 feeders they would still eat all the babies grain. I’d this normal or is she being aggressive? Should I resperare them or just let them work it out? Goats can transmit several diseases to humans, including: Leptospirosis — This disease is widely distributed in domestic and wild animals. She was totally fine with them, and her kids taught them to be goats. They hang out every day side by side along a wire fence, with the dad goat who has been recently castrated. This type of behavior in wethers is not that unusual, especially if he was castrated as an adult and was already sexually mature. I have personally been in a position to try to stop it when a buck got into a doe pen, and it’s close to impossible. Now check your email to confirm your subscription. It all started again the night he broke into the Does pen. This will keep them from getting too pushy when reintroducing the girls with their kids. We introduced them to each other yesterday and the 8week old is beating up the bottle baby. So I moved the first mom and her twins into a much smaller and separate pen. It makes me angry that he is being mean to him. Most mountain goats roam the vast open spaces of Alaska and Canada, where they tend to have very little contact with humans. The new goat is so timid. https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goat-birthing-beginners-guide/. They are not hormonal because they’ve been castrated. It doesn't feel threatened by people. It’s anyone’s guess about whether or not they will hurt each other. Ask the Explainer. Having them outside where one can run away is also a good idea. The younger wether is trying to establish himself by not letting the dwarf wether eat or come into their stall. also will the goats know when to go inside their home when it is too cold or is there certain times i should be keeping the door shut in their home so they can’t go in and out all the time? Chupacabras are known for their feasting on goats, but will attack any human on sight. Idk what the blood might have been about, but I don’t really think it’s fair to assume the buck’s horns were the cause, or that he should go to the freezer. You can start by having them share a fence line for a few days, then put them together. 06.23.2014 by thriftyhomesteader // 214 Comments. The pen is large, I see no conflict, except at the feeder, the new wether won’t let the the other one feed there when he is there, is all. It depends on the individuals. If the doe gets pregnant when she is too small, you will either wind up with a c-section or a dead goat. Help. They are Nigerians.Then we rescued a five yr large goat and her wether who is four months old. They can’t get up much momentum when trying to butt something below themselves. Kids bounce pretty well if they’re just hit in the middle of nowhere, especially after they’re a few days old. I think goats can be jealous animals and he wont let the little ones come to me freely. I know it’s normal to butt heads to establish order and sometimes they will bleed, but should I try and keep them separated a little until it is fully healed? Most people don’t keep a buck with their does because he could wind up getting them pregnant way too often. Dingo attacks are somewhat common in Australia, particularly on young children. Or should they be separated from the beginning? She was very lethargic but pulled through. It will depend on the personality of the new goats. When the buck is kept separate, you can just put him with a doe whenever she is in heat so that you know when she is due. She would be standing for him to mount her. I am a new goat mom who purchased two Nigerian sisters who turns out were pregnant when I bought them. I have all of them together. I surly do t want him to get nasty as he gets older because they are meant to him now. While there have been reports of roaming urban goats, most attacks by loose goats take place in less populated areas. This video is just for demonstration and entertainment purposes. or is there a chance they will injure each other badly? The horns won’t break off from head butting. Is this normal? The main reason they butt kids is about pecking order and hormones so if there has been any loss such as the matriarch there will be a lot of vying for it . Washington state officials have shot a mountain goat that gored and killed a hiker on Saturday in Olympic National Park. For NDs that means they should be at least 40 pounds, or you could be looking at a c-section in five months. It is not a good idea to put horned and not horned animals together for this reason. Sounds like her hormones are out of whack. If the wether doesn’t have horns, the odds are not good that the horned goat will stop. I have a new mom that is aggressive to another pregnant goat. Can Maybe update you for learning purposes. It is almost like she is stalking them. What can I do? They usually stay quite warm in winter because they grow a thick undercoat of cashmere. You need to call around and find a vet that can do a c-section, if needed, and ask ahead of time what the cost will be. If this kid’s mom will tolerate its presence, I’d put them together in a stall for a few days, then put them with the herd, ideally when you have another doe to reunite with everyone. Horned goats can be really mean to those without horns because they have an unfair advantage. Thanks so much for the response. How do I attack neutral people or animals? Our pygmy seems to focus on the smallest Nigerian and will slam him against the fence/wall when he gets the chance (he head buts the pther one too but that one stands up for himself more). If you already have feed pans, placing them next to a wall or in a corner will reduce head butting compared with placing them in a space where the goats can circle around the pans. Whereas the goat’s natural desire to explore offers cross-species sociability. For this reason, I try very hard never to add an individual goat to the herd. If this is a buck, they need to be separated immediately. should i pipe the horns for a while? The younger one needs to put weight on she’s skinny after having triplets. The billy now is chasing her relentlessly and she has a messy rear end . Thank you in advance for any advice. I have two 4 month old weathered brothers, one polled and one with horns. Actually got them to keep poison ivy down. It’s usually a good idea to keep them separate for a few days until the kid is steady on his feet. I will keep them separate for a couple weeks at least. I got 3 Boer goats that were born late December 2019. I took in a 2 week old goat thats mother died. Goat herds are hierarchical. There is a picture of a goat skull in my book, Raising Goats Naturally, which shows you that the horns are part of the skull. It’s possible she was in heat yesterday, and he just hasn’t gotten the message yet that he needs to leave her alone now. His eyes were operating independently of each other — one going one way, and the other one going a different way, and he was stumbling around. I plan to start locking the pregnant pair up together at night to hopefully prevent some of the abuse they have been suffering from the big female. Goats are the main source of protein in the region. I have never seen or heard of doing this before. The rear heel pad of bobcat prints are typically in the shape of an "m." Follow us on Twitter. Suggestions? He makes all the breeding actions and then maybe beats her up ? Any ideas of how or what I should do? We are in a pinch as we are to pick up the females today but only have housing set up for them to be together. I just introduced a new goat to the herd and one goat(who is so gentle with humans and my young children) is bullying so much. Any advice would be appreciated. Had brother (a wether) and sister tollengburg living together in 1/3 acre field for 12 years. Is there a way to get them used to each other again?? Thankfully I have not heard of that happening with goats. I have a few goats and one of my females has become quite aggressive and really was slamming anotherpregnant goat in the abdomen and now I am worried. On the bright side we thought we were going to lose a baby goat to some internal injuries when a dog was playing too rough. I would wake her up and she’s very disoriented. Thanks for your response. If you have other big goats, I would just separate the big ones into one pen and the little ones into another pen. They relax with time. If you don’t have another buck to keep him company, you can try putting him in a neighboring pen so they share a fenceline, although he probably wont’ be happy about that initially. Hi, I have 2 2 year old wethered males, 1 was disbudded and the other still has horns. He’s not aggressive to either myself or my daughter. 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